Re: Baby-making

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Date: Wed Sep 20 2000 - 15:01:40 PDT

Dumb kids? heh. I think not. I've known many vegan families, and their
children are usually above average in all ways detectable. Why, I even
know one family whose pets are all vegan, and the pets are just fine as
well. (: One thing I learned about vegans, living and travelling with
them, is that they are extremely conscious of their diets, making sure to
supplement their diets with all the things that provide protein, iron,
etc, that their bodies need. I'd like to suggest that you not quote such
idiotic things as "Notice that many vegans raise dumb kids due to
deficits in some essentials (Lamarck's revenge on Darwin)." It makes YOU
sound dumb, and you are obviously a carnivore. (: Notice that Kragen was
talking about vegetarians, and NOT vegans. Yes, there is a difference. I
agree that many vegetarians have vitamin/mineral deficiencies, but I
suspect that this is due to one of 2 things: 1. Meat and other foods which
provide all the necessary nutrients are not available. or 2. Being a
vegetarian has become a fad, though information about how to make sure
you're getting all the nutrients you need is scarce. Beans is the trick.

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On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Eugene Leitl wrote:

> This was also my knee-jerk theory when I've heard that
> bit'o'news. Notice that the slight surplus of boys usually quickly
> vanishes downstream the population histogram due to their higher
> mortality (except in extremely female-friendly places such as China,
> of course).
> Kragen Sitaker writes:
> > Here's another. Girls are tougher than boys, at least after they're
> > born. If some fraction of vegetarians, say 30%, have some undiagnosed
> > nutritional deficit --- one unknown among UK meat-eaters --- that
> Notice that many vegans raise dumb kids due to deficits in some
> essentials (Lamarck's revenge on Darwin).
> > deficit might cause miscarriages or make it harder for sperm to
> > survive. It doesn't seem improbable that such a situation would kill
> > female fetuses and sperm less than males.
> In fact it looks highly probable. Also notice that a lot of raw plants
> contain biological warfare agents, having evolved them to deter
> herbivores. Primates being no ruminants, and female fetuses being more
> hardy...

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