RE: There They Go, Bad-Mouthing Divorce Again

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From: Jeff Barr (
Date: Wed Sep 13 2000 - 09:18:48 PDT

Realize of course that Jay has *twin* 5-month-olds. He is at that
stage I described last night where total exhaustion is the rule.
Hang in there Jay, things get better! At a certain point 4 of
our kids were under 6. We decided that we could survive, and
that if we could survive that then we could survive anything.

Here is a "Hallmark Moment" to show just how great things can be:

Even though 4 of our 5 are 10 or younger, we still managed to get
a decent way (we started at 5K feet and climbed another 2K or so)
up Mount Rainier last month. We got high enough that we played
in the snow. Not bad for August.

Tons more great Mt. Rainier pictures are available at:



Jeff Barr - Home: 425-836-5624 Office: 425-936-3098
4610 191st Place NE. Redmond, WA

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Bone []
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 8:51 AM
Cc: B.K. DeLong;
Subject: Re: There They Go, Bad-Mouthing Divorce Again

> Negative -- there is a *huge* loss of freedom. If you're not prepared to
> forgo *all* travel, parties, public social life, and basic "hanging" with
> your single friends, don't do it!

There it is folks, the bottom line, from somebody who knows, clearly stated.

Every individual has to have some function with which to evaluate "lifetime
hallmark moments" vs. "huge loss of freedom, forego *all* ..." Clearly, the
definition of that function is something that is intensely personal. But:
guys that optimize on hallmark *realize* how weird that looks to the rest of
us, right? The argument is essentially "give up all freedom and become a
completely different person, in order to gain benefits we can't even really
describe to you well enough to justify that on the surface..."


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