From: Dave Winer (email@example.com)
Date: Mon Sep 11 2000 - 13:55:19 PDT
I agree with you wholeheartedly. You'll be happy to know that Radio UserLand
stores rour files in XML. Yes there's an object database running behind
everything, but all your stuff is in XML stored in the file system. Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Strata Rose Chalup" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: "Dave Winer" <email@example.com>
Cc: "S. Mike Dierken" <mike@KnowNow.com>; <FoRK@xent.ICS.UCI.EDU>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: The P in P2P
> Can we get that without a huge immersive system that eats all your files
> and leaves them in some lame format that you have to recover from if you
> want to change systems or work outside them? And can it have decent
> indexing so that you don't have to "discover" everything but can really
> know what's going on?
> Somebody at work put in a wiki as a collaboration system, and only the
> fact that it has a "Recent Changes" feature kept me from hitting the
> roof. I suppose I could write a script that would do an ls -lstr on the
> wiki directory every hour so I'd see what was going on, but if it used a
> database backend like so many of these kinds of things do I'd be SOL.
> Flat files are GOOD. The web took off like a rocket because it
> supported flat files, nice portable, marked-up flat files by DEFAULT but
> ALSO could call an arbitrary handler on other kinds of files, and that
> handling was user-transparent but CONFIGURABLE. Don't you be talkin' no
> behind the scenes hidden files DLLtrickery "always use this program to
> open this file"-then-disappear weirdass stuff.
> Surly today,
> Dave Winer wrote:
> > To really pull it off, imho, you need more than an HTTP server.
> > You need really good text editing, an outliner, and a content management
> > system, and lots of user-oriented stuff built on all that stuff.
> > Apache doesn't have anything for the "user experience" and doesn't run
> > particularly well on the popular end-user platforms.
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "S. Mike Dierken" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > To: <FoRK@xent.ICS.UCI.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: The P in P2P
> > > >
> > > > > If only we had some sort of OpenSource project with a cross
> > > > > standards compliant, install in 5 minutes, extensible kind of
> > > >
> > > > Not sure if you're being facetious, but that is the goal of the
> > > > project - to be an Apache for p2p. See worldos.org.
> > > >
> > > > - Lucas
> > > Why can't Apache be the Apache for p2p?
> > >
> > >
> > > MikeD
> Strata Rose Chalup [email@example.com] | firstname.lastname@example.org, KF6NBZ
> Director of Network Operations | VirtualNet Consulting
> KnowNow, Inc [http://www.knownow.com] | http://www.virtual.net/
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