They are discussing this on dist-obj?  It's how you manage
data-consistency, not how open or free a society is.  Take China
for instance.  They are like an enterprise database system.  You
carefully control all the action to ensure that you have one
big homogenous society.  The US on the other hand is like
the WWW.  You have lots and lots of independent actions,
ideas, and movements going on, but you can reconcile them
all through the protocols of the government, constitution, 
and a common language and definitions such as English.  
What are the parallels? Which scales better? 
Secondly, I was going to respond to Adam's utopiae posting.
It's probably time we updated our common vision of the shinning
city on the hill.   The two competing where Orwell's 1984 and
Huxely's Brave New World, the second where we as information
consumers live in a constant barage of mass consumerism as
seen in Delillo's 'White Noise', drowning in our own ego-centricism
and overabundance of information.   How does a person really manage
the raw amounts of information they get day-to-day?  The answer
is they ignore it.  1984 came and went and the US citizenry was
happy to say that we avoided that one pitfall, but modern US
is more like Huxley's BNW.  Here's Huxley's checklist:
   o Over-Population: Possible, but I would bet the Malathusians
     are always wrong.  I think that you can extrapolate any
     trend to the extreme, but nature doesn't often support it.
   o Quantity, Quality, Morality: If you get the chance to rent
     the video Gattaca, please do so.  It's a very good movie.
     It's one type of utopia wrapped up in eugenics and dysgenics
     where you know everything about a person including when and
     what they will die from before they are born.  My sister used
     to work at the California Fertility clinic, parents are 
     psychotic about controlling their makeup and fertility of
     their offspring.  Look at everything else, cloning, UCI's
     fertility clinic scandal, supposed decline of morals in the US.
     If you get the chance, also read Pirsig's Lila.  It's an
     exploration of the morals of contemporary society.  He makes
     an excellent argument, but then ruins it all by contradicting
     himself to prop up one of his ideologies.  This leadd directly
     into the next...
   o Propaganda in a Democratic Society: Two words: Peter Arnett.
     Like the artistocrats of the 17th century France, the mainstream
     media is ridiculously.  Ideology is winning out over rationality.
     Humans are a good deal less rational than Jefferson assumes,
     but at the same time they aren't the expeditious sex freaks that
     Freud assumes motivates everyone.  
   o Propaganda under a Dictatorship:  Everyone assumes that they
     bad old days of mass murder, wars, corruption are over.  We
     have a new world peace.  The problem with being egocentric is
     that you assume everyone thinks like you.  A dictatorship is
     first and foremost to make sure that by all means including force
     noone is given the ability to make trouble, rock the boat.  
   o Over-Organization: To keep people from making trouble, a society
     government, dictatorship, nation-state, utopia will employ
     several means and mechanisms.  Perpetuate addictions, legalize
     a degree of hedonistic behavior.   Look at the government's 
     laws eroding the makeup of the family.   Single mothers, crack 
     babies, marriage penalties; deadbeat dads are treated more 
     seriously and have freedoms curtailed more than muderers.   
     The only reason they don't put them in prison is that they are 
     worth more as slave labor.  The social ethic is towards, not
     self-reliance, but government reliance to enforce an organization
     on the world.  It makes a virtue of necessity, where freedoms
     are compromised in the name of perceived threats and common
     lethargy.
     
   o The Arts of Selling:  Here's a myth: Advertising has the ability
     to allow the common man to put aside his rationality in order
     to have it overpowered by his emotional need to obtain a product
     or service.  Advertising comes in all shapes and sizes.  Look at
     the proposed US tobacco settlement.  Advertising is the evil.  
     If only they wouldn't advertise, then nobody would smoke.  "The
     survival of a democracy depends upon large numbers of people to
     make realistic choices in the light of adequate information."
     One of my criticisms of modern day journalism that is shared by
     Fallows, Katz, Drudge, and others is that content is subject
     to commercial pressures.   If you have competing content, then
     you have the ability to determine the validity and value of
     a story rather than having the content controlled by an oligopoly
     of media outles.
   o Brainwashing: As practiced in its traditional form, it's mostly
     gone; Remember Guyana?  But think about Louis Farrakhan(sp?), 
     or other organized cults.  Some of the pressure techniques.  
     People who aren't missing something in their lives aren't
     susceptible to brainwashing.  People with too much information
     will reject it, people with anxiety about too much information
     will willingly cede their thinking to another group.  Also,
     schools nowadays don't teach facts, nor even problem solving
     skills; they teach self-esteem.
   o Chemical Persuasion:  Who knows, the CIA and KGB used to have
     big programs experimenting with behavioral control.  Nowadays,
     there's prozac and viagra.   Before anyone jumps down my throat,
     there's two types of behavioral controls: 1) using chemicals
     to suppress negative side effects, 2) using chemicals to 
     produce positive ones.  They each can be used either positively
     or negatively.
   o Subconcious Persuasion: When Piaget cameto the US and started 
     talking about levels of moral development, the Americans asked
     a question none of the Europeans had.  How can you use this
     information to speed up the moral development of children?  
     The answer is through social conditioning.  Elliot and Arronson
     talk about the social effects of living up to a expectation. 
     They have years of experients studying school children, US
     military, prisoners, etc.   Pre-concious perception isn't
     regularly used in films, television, web-pages, but then
     I wouldn't know about.  If anyone sees any, please alert
     use.  Nobody has any hankering for asparagus do they? 
   
   o Hypnopaedia:  Once a common practice for prisoner reform,
     putting speakers under their pillows, this isn't regularly
     practices, although I am positive that the general dim of
     NYC is enough to drive anyone insane with strange thoughts.
So, maybe just a little more subtle, but resounding.   Favor
truth over ideology.   One of my favorite Nietsche quotes, in 
case I hadn't posted it before on the coming new philosophy.
His description was about 100 years too early.   I think rather
than an age of mass enlightenment, we are going to enter into an age
of competing truths that are no longer self-evident.
  Are these coming philosophers new friends of "Truth"? That is probable
  enough, for so far all philosophers have loved their truths. But they will
  certainly not be dogmatists. It must offend their pride, also their 
  taste, if their truth is supposed to be a truth for everyman--which 
  has so far been the secret wish and hidden meaning of all dogmatic 
  aspirations. "My judgement is *my* judgement": no one else is 
  easily entitled to it--that is what such a philosopher of the future may
  perhaps say of himself.
  One must shed the bad taste of wanting to agree with man. "Good"
  is no longer good when one's neighbor mouths it. And how should there be a
  "common good"! The term contradicts itself: whatever can be common always 
  has little value. In the end it must be as it is and always has been: 
  great things remain for the great, abysses for the profound, nuances 
  and shudders for the refined, and, in brief, all that is rare for the rare."
Greg
p.s. I was going to write a post about how Endeavors uses XML
to keep object state and how we coordinate the behaviors of an
object, but this sounded more interesting.