From: Rob Sanz (robsanz@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Thu Jun 08 2000 - 14:47:48 PDT
Norman Matloff's "Debunking the Myth" paper reads like my biograhpy. I
repeat this section below because I am a software engineer with almost 18
years of experience. I took 2 advanced courses in the hottest language
around, Microsoft Visual C++. The result, nobody would hire me to program in
C++. One recruiter told me that my previous experience was IRRELEVANT.
I have suffered so many of the age discrimination problems he describes. At
the last company I worked for the senior software manager, age 30, got a .
The new manager fired me the same day an H-1B reported to work. I called the
DOL in Washington D.C. to ask what legal protections I had. They said
absolutely none.
Rob Sanchez - 45 year old, unwanted, unemployed, and very angry
5.8 It Is NOT a ``Failure of Programmers to Keep Their Skills Up to Date''
Again it is crucial to keep in mind that the plight of the older programmer
cannot be solved simply by the programmer taking some refresher courses in
the new software skills. Even if a programmer takes a course in, say, the
new Java programming language and then applies for a job requiring Java,
employers will still not hire him or her, because the employer insists on
actual work experience when hiring older people
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric D. Sherman [mailto:EricSherman@Alum.MIT.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:56 AM
> To: jfeise@ics.uci.edu; Norm Matloff
> Cc: Adam L. Beberg; FoRK; sramjee@hss.hns.com; RRivers297@aol.com;
> billreed@ticnet.com; jdensler@ziplink.net; c0030180@airmail.net;
> rogermadden@cs.com; miano@colosseumbuilders.com;
> netmouser@earthlink.net; 110077.3677@compuserve.com; terryo@flash.net;
> robertsb@mindspring.com; infosurf@cybernex.net; KFran95011@aol.com;
> mendlovitz@prodigy.net; RobSanz@worldnet.att.net; rtax@bellatlantic.net;
> DamonScott@cs.ucdavis.edu
> Subject: RE: National Sign-On Letter to House on H-1Bs, U.S. Immigration
>
>
> I have over 25 years' perience in the IT field, both in the U.S.
> and abroad.
> In my personal experience, every word Norman Matloff has ever written has
> been deadly accurate.
>
> Moreover, Norm's positions have the overwhelming support of over
> 80% of the
> American population. Even legislators have admitted that the
> reasons they're
> taking their anti-American positions on H1B/immigration are
> because industry
> is PAYING them to do so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joachim Feise [mailto:jfeise@ics.uci.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 2:46 PM
> To: Norm Matloff
> Cc: Adam L. Beberg; FoRK; sramjee@hss.hns.com; RRivers297@aol.com;
> billreed@ticnet.com; jdensler@ziplink.net; c0030180@airmail.net;
> rogermadden@cs.com; miano@colosseumbuilders.com;
> netmouser@earthlink.net; 110077.3677@compuserve.com; terryo@flash.net;
> robertsb@mindspring.com; infosurf@cybernex.net;
> EricSherman@alum.mit.edu; KFran95011@aol.com; mendlovitz@prodigy.net;
> RobSanz@worldnet.att.net; rtax@bellatlantic.net;
> DamonScott@cs.ucdavis.edu
> Subject: Re: National Sign-On Letter to House on H-1Bs, U.S. Immigration
>
>
> Norm Matloff wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:13:07AM -0700, Joachim Feise wrote:
> >
> > > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 sramjee@hss.hns.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html
> >
> > > > I remember reading this a couple years ago just after it was
> presented.
> > > > Unfortunately ever word of what he says is true.
> >
> > > Well, it is not.
> > > Of course, the anecdotal things he quotes from newspapers may be true,
> > > but given the way newspaper editors work, these things are
> likely to be
> > > blown out of proportions and sensationalized.
> > > Age discrimination sure exists in some instances, but Norm
> Matloff makes
> > > it sound as if this is the rule, without giving sound (and provable)
> evidence.
> > > This is a bad approach, one that lobbying organizations take.
> > > Because of this, everything he says in that paper is suspect.
> >
> > Hey, Joe, why don't you actually try READING my paper. There's
> > a lot more than just anecdotes, with lots of cited data, graphs,
> > tables etc.
> >
> > Norm
>
> You may remember that we had the same discussion before.
> And repeating the assertion that I didn't read it doesn't make
> the paper any better.
> In fact, I have read parts of it, but couldn't stand reading the
> whole thing because my blood started to boil reading unsubstantiated
> claims.
> It still is a biased lobbying paper, and therefore not really worth
> serious consideration.
>
> -Joe
>
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