From: Mark Mendlovitz (mendlovitz@prodigy.net)
Date: Thu Jun 08 2000 - 13:02:06 PDT
When thousands of high tech workers are sharing the same "anecdote", the
anecdotal evidence of discrimination becomes hard evidence. Consider this:
In the midst of an alleged "shortage" of workers, why is recruiting of CS
students (for programming jobs) at UC-Davis down for the second year in a
row? And Cisco's CEO just admitted recently that they interview only a small
percentage of job candidates. Why? On the other hand, there is nothing to
suggest a worker shortage except the anecdotes from a relatively small
number of industry lobbyists seeking to prevent a rise in wages, all in the
commercial high tech sector. The burden of proof should be on EMPLOYERS, not
employees, since employers are free to send work outside the U.S., while
most American are not able to get work overseas. What proof do you have Joe?
------Original Message------
From: "Eric D. Sherman" <EricSherman@Alum.MIT.edu>
To: jfeise@ics.uci.edu, Norm Matloff <matloff@cs.ucdavis.edu>
Sent: June 8, 2000 6:55:35 PM GMT
Subject: RE: National Sign-On Letter to House on H-1Bs, U.S. Immigration
I have over 25 years' perience in the IT field, both in the U.S. and abroad.
In my personal experience, every word Norman Matloff has ever written has
been deadly accurate.
Moreover, Norm's positions have the overwhelming support of over 80% of the
American population. Even legislators have admitted that the reasons they're
taking their anti-American positions on H1B/immigration are because industry
is PAYING them to do so.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joachim Feise [mailto:jfeise@ics.uci.edu]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 2:46 PM
To: Norm Matloff
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Subject: Re: National Sign-On Letter to House on H-1Bs, U.S. Immigration
Norm Matloff wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 08:13:07AM -0700, Joachim Feise wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 sramjee@hss.hns.com wrote:
>
> > > > http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.html
>
> > > I remember reading this a couple years ago just after it was
presented.
> > > Unfortunately ever word of what he says is true.
>
> > Well, it is not.
> > Of course, the anecdotal things he quotes from newspapers may be true,
> > but given the way newspaper editors work, these things are likely to be
> > blown out of proportions and sensationalized.
> > Age discrimination sure exists in some instances, but Norm Matloff makes
> > it sound as if this is the rule, without giving sound (and provable)
evidence.
> > This is a bad approach, one that lobbying organizations take.
> > Because of this, everything he says in that paper is suspect.
>
> Hey, Joe, why don't you actually try READING my paper. There's
> a lot more than just anecdotes, with lots of cited data, graphs,
> tables etc.
>
> Norm
You may remember that we had the same discussion before.
And repeating the assertion that I didn't read it doesn't make
the paper any better.
In fact, I have read parts of it, but couldn't stand reading the
whole thing because my blood started to boil reading unsubstantiated
claims.
It still is a biased lobbying paper, and therefore not really worth
serious consideration.
-Joe
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