Re: [Jeff Covey @ Freshmeat] We Are Losing the Browser War

From: Stephen D. Williams (sdw@lig.net)
Date: Fri Apr 06 2001 - 14:22:07 PDT


Jeff Barr wrote:
>
> You are right, it does! The rest of the HTML is ok, though.

I think there was another comment further down... ;-)

I can't imagine how all those comments managed to get intermixed.

> IE tries hard(er) to interpret whatever it finds as HTML, and it
> managed to show me the entire site. Perhaps your browser is too
> prudent (or does it lack fortitude, I'm not sure :-).
>
> Which brings us back, in a most bizarre way, to the original "Losing the
> Browser War" subject, doesn't it?

Indeed. I've written a number of parsers of various complexity and
recovering/continuing from an error is highly dependant, usually, on the
parser implementation and whatever heuristics you can come up with.
Getting sites to count on this definitely qualifies as a propietary
'feature' unless W3C specifies error recovery semantics. MS is mostly
passive in this of course, but it plays to their advantage.

Have any of you noticed how, with older versions of Netscape, MS
authored sites had mangled "'", and '"' that showed up as '?'?
Obviously MS is using non-ascii characters to get fancy matching quotes
that Unix Netscape was having trouble mapping correctly. I think this
was finally 'fixed' in newer Netscape's.

sdw

> Jeff;
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sdw@lig.net [mailto:sdw@lig.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:09 PM
> To: Jeff Barr
> Cc: Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de; 'Tony Finch'; Adam@knownow.com;
> FoRK@xent.com
> Subject: Re: [Jeff Covey @ Freshmeat] We Are Losing the Browser War
>
> Jeff Barr wrote:
> >
> > Here's a fun way to use GPS:
> >
> > http://www.gpscache.com
>
> Cute, but the first URL's HTML is hopelessly mangled (the file starts
> with:<!-- t-shirt order# = 25-1008, a comment). My HTML validator
> (Netscape 4.76) shows only the logo bar. The second worked fine.
>
> sdw
>
> > http://www.geocaching.com/
> >
> > Jeff;
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sdw@lig.net [mailto:sdw@lig.net]
> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:50 AM
> > To: Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de
> > Cc: Tony Finch; Adam@knownow.com; FoRK@xent.com
> > Subject: Re: [Jeff Covey @ Freshmeat] We Are Losing the Browser War
> >
> > Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de wrote:
> > >
> > > Tony Finch wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, but consume is intended to suppoprt mobile computers so how do
> > > > you define their location in order to give them an IP address?
> > >
> > > 1) GPS. No, really. As long as you can't do mutual time-of-flight
> > > it's the way to go.
> > >
> > > 2) Address constraints from the neighbour node(s). Geodetic DHCP
> > > (assignment of address/position plus uncertainty mask). This
> > > way the mobile node doesn't have to have a positioning system
> > > onboard (but what's the big deal these days?).
> > >
> > > It's a bit of handwaving, but I think it can be made to work.
> >
> > Cool, now I have a Reason to buy a GPS unit (besides
> > hiking/skating/traveling)....
> >
> > sdw
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> > Dec2000
>
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> Stephen D. Williams
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