[FoRK] [gsc] US too delusional to fix

damien morton dmorton at bitfurnace.com
Mon Jan 26 07:44:47 PST 2009

Sure, since 1969 its just been one long socialist decline.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Venki S. Iyer <venki at computer.org> wrote:
> Come the revolution, the blood of socialist and bourgeoisie swine will run
> together in the streets. Yea.
> And we will all bow yet once again to our reptilian/alien overlords. Double
> Yea!
> -V
> Eugen Leitl wrote:
>> ----- Forwarded message from "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com> -----
>> From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
>> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:39:52 -0400
>> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
>> Subject: Re: [gsc] US too delusional to fix
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>> Begin forwarded message:
>> From: info <info at freemarketmoney.com>
>> Date: January 25, 2009 10:49:16 PM GMT-04:00
>> To: gold-silver-crypto at rayservers.com
>> Subject: Re: [gsc] US too delusional to fix
>>> is shedding some cars and banks really the decline?
>> These are symptoms.  They are symptoms of the grab for
>> power by vested economic and political interests, and to
>> hell with everyone else.
>>> Was it ever a incline to begin with?
>> Yes, very clearly.  You are perhaps a little young to
>> remember a time when every year, planes went higher and
>> faster, more things were available to more people, the
>> per capita income kept rising, new records were set in
>> nearly every area of human activity, all the time.
>> If you didn't live before 1969, you missed the peak.  In
>> Western Civilisation, people used to travel faster than
>> the speed of sound.  They don't any longer.  People used
>> to visit the Moon.  They don't any longer.  Private
>> passenger rail service used to be available.  It is not
>> any longer.
>> People used to have a reasonable expectation of a future
>> with more inventions, brighter, faster, niftier vehicles.
>> But, of course, the intention of the socialists has always
>> been to prevent that future, to license all activities, to
>> regulate all conduct, to prevent innovation, to destroy
>> entrepreneurship, to have boots smashing human faces,
>> forever.
>> So, naturally, we don't have those things to anticipate. The
>> inventors have invented, but they cannot make any money because
>> they aren't allowed to sell their products.  The Moller air
>> car cannot be flown except as an experimental aircraft.  The
>> ducted fan personal aircraft can't be flown except as an
>> experimental aircraft.  Richard Branson couldn't enter the USA
>> to look at the designs for his new spaceship because he's a
>> foreign national.
>> The civilisation that Raven refers to has peaked.  It peaked
>> about 40 years go.  It cannot advance because too many people
>> are trying to live with other people's money.  The burden of
>> government is too great.  The idiocy of self-important central
>> planners is in the way of any and every accomplishment.
>> The way to solve this problem has traditionally been for the
>> thin veneer of civil behavior to wear off, and people go out
>> and slaughter the scum who have been causing them grief and
>> aggravation.  When every city has every lamp post and city
>> building decorated with the eviscerated bodies of the filth
>> who think they govern us without our consent, then a new
>> culture can arise to replace the old.
>> In some ways, the alternatives already exist. The old culture
>> developed a robust inter-connected network or reticulum of
>> networked computer systems.  About the same time that the
>> peak accomplishments of the old culture were impressing the
>> masses, people began to develop open source cryptography.
>> The old system almost certainly cannot last indefinitely. The
>> problem with solving problems with other people's money is,
>> as Maggie Thatcher noted, eventually you run out.  At a guess,
>> that was Maggie quoting Hayek.  Sensible fuck.
>> About 1969, DARPA funded the first mil-net which was adapted to
>> commercial use in 1973 as Compuserve.  In 1976, Hayek conceived
>> of free market money, denationalisation of currency.  About
>> that time, open source crypto became the standard approach, and
>> within a few years we had RSA and other standards.  I suspect
>> that the arrival of technologies like encryption and bitTorrent
>> and peer to peer networks and digital bearer instruments and
>> Loom are the harbingers of doom to the old civilisation.  A new
>> culture based on open source and consent is replacing the old
>> culture of compulsion and limited competition.
>> These transitions can be tricky.  And, in general, those who
>> have made their lives out of forcing other people to pay taxes
>> and serve in the military against their will and obey endless
>> mindless regulations don't deserve any respect, not even for
>> their worthless lives.
>> Isaac Asimov wrote about that same time that an empire which
>> is allowed to last too many generations brings on a worse dark
>> age when it collapses.  Its collapse is inevitable.  The only
>> question is how long the authoritarian regime will survive before
>> it collapses.  And the consequence of that question is that the
>> longer it lasts, the slower will be the recovery.  The more
>> knowledge will be lost in the transition.  And the more
>> despair people will have before they get on with setting up a
>> new way of doing things.
>> Regards,
>> Jim
>> http://bostontea.us/
>> ----- End forwarded message -----
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