[FoRK] [gsc] US too delusional to fix

Venki S. Iyer venki at computer.org
Mon Jan 26 06:55:53 PST 2009

Come the revolution, the blood of socialist and bourgeoisie swine will 
run together in the streets. Yea.
And we will all bow yet once again to our reptilian/alien overlords. 
Double Yea!


Eugen Leitl wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com> -----
> From: "R.A. Hettinga" <rah at shipwright.com>
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:39:52 -0400
> To: cypherpunks at al-qaeda.net
> Subject: Re: [gsc] US too delusional to fix
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> From: info <info at freemarketmoney.com>
> Date: January 25, 2009 10:49:16 PM GMT-04:00
> To: gold-silver-crypto at rayservers.com
> Subject: Re: [gsc] US too delusional to fix
>> is shedding some cars and banks really the decline?
> These are symptoms.  They are symptoms of the grab for
> power by vested economic and political interests, and to
> hell with everyone else.
>> Was it ever a incline to begin with?
> Yes, very clearly.  You are perhaps a little young to
> remember a time when every year, planes went higher and
> faster, more things were available to more people, the
> per capita income kept rising, new records were set in
> nearly every area of human activity, all the time.
> If you didn't live before 1969, you missed the peak.  In
> Western Civilisation, people used to travel faster than
> the speed of sound.  They don't any longer.  People used
> to visit the Moon.  They don't any longer.  Private
> passenger rail service used to be available.  It is not
> any longer.
> People used to have a reasonable expectation of a future
> with more inventions, brighter, faster, niftier vehicles.
> But, of course, the intention of the socialists has always
> been to prevent that future, to license all activities, to
> regulate all conduct, to prevent innovation, to destroy
> entrepreneurship, to have boots smashing human faces,
> forever.
> So, naturally, we don't have those things to anticipate. The
> inventors have invented, but they cannot make any money because
> they aren't allowed to sell their products.  The Moller air
> car cannot be flown except as an experimental aircraft.  The
> ducted fan personal aircraft can't be flown except as an
> experimental aircraft.  Richard Branson couldn't enter the USA
> to look at the designs for his new spaceship because he's a
> foreign national.
> The civilisation that Raven refers to has peaked.  It peaked
> about 40 years go.  It cannot advance because too many people
> are trying to live with other people's money.  The burden of
> government is too great.  The idiocy of self-important central
> planners is in the way of any and every accomplishment.
> The way to solve this problem has traditionally been for the
> thin veneer of civil behavior to wear off, and people go out
> and slaughter the scum who have been causing them grief and
> aggravation.  When every city has every lamp post and city
> building decorated with the eviscerated bodies of the filth
> who think they govern us without our consent, then a new
> culture can arise to replace the old.
> In some ways, the alternatives already exist. The old culture
> developed a robust inter-connected network or reticulum of
> networked computer systems.  About the same time that the
> peak accomplishments of the old culture were impressing the
> masses, people began to develop open source cryptography.
> The old system almost certainly cannot last indefinitely. The
> problem with solving problems with other people's money is,
> as Maggie Thatcher noted, eventually you run out.  At a guess,
> that was Maggie quoting Hayek.  Sensible fuck.
> About 1969, DARPA funded the first mil-net which was adapted to
> commercial use in 1973 as Compuserve.  In 1976, Hayek conceived
> of free market money, denationalisation of currency.  About
> that time, open source crypto became the standard approach, and
> within a few years we had RSA and other standards.  I suspect
> that the arrival of technologies like encryption and bitTorrent
> and peer to peer networks and digital bearer instruments and
> Loom are the harbingers of doom to the old civilisation.  A new
> culture based on open source and consent is replacing the old
> culture of compulsion and limited competition.
> These transitions can be tricky.  And, in general, those who
> have made their lives out of forcing other people to pay taxes
> and serve in the military against their will and obey endless
> mindless regulations don't deserve any respect, not even for
> their worthless lives.
> Isaac Asimov wrote about that same time that an empire which
> is allowed to last too many generations brings on a worse dark
> age when it collapses.  Its collapse is inevitable.  The only
> question is how long the authoritarian regime will survive before
> it collapses.  And the consequence of that question is that the
> longer it lasts, the slower will be the recovery.  The more
> knowledge will be lost in the transition.  And the more
> despair people will have before they get on with setting up a
> new way of doing things.
> Regards,
> Jim
> http://bostontea.us/
> ----- End forwarded message -----

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