[FoRK] Re: Arc's out, Nu vs. newLISP, and a retort to Paul Graham's elitism

Jeff Bone <jbone at place.org> on Wed Jan 30 23:21:49 PST 2008

My point, which somebody else summarized quite nicely, is merely this:

"We all make mistakes, but few of us are so vocal about how everyone  
else makes mistakes or how we are going to correct them all.  He has  
basically called every non-lisp programmer a looser, then said that  
all lisp users are misguided too but he will bring them to salvation.  
Unfortunately his salvation has the appearance of something a novice  
writes in a SICP course.  Basically he is a braggart and people are  
enjoying the opportunity to call him on it."

+1, perfect summarization,


Note:  #1 on programming.reddit as I type this,


On Jan 31, 2008, at 1:06 AM, Jeff Bone wrote:

> +1, and then some.
> Hence my "bad design choices" comment.
> I wasn't looking for infamy in my comments, but I think I may have  
> bought it nonetheless...
> jb
> On Jan 30, 2008, at 4:57 PM, rst at ai.mit.edu wrote:
>> Jeff Bone writes:
>>> This thing is ALL about making almost completely superficial tweaks
>>> to the regular Lisp lexicon of terms and forms.
>> Which don't strike me as even well-chosen.  He's using '=' for a
>> generalized assignment operator (like the Common Lisp setf), and not
>> as an equality predicate.  If you write your Lisp code in a mostly
>> functional style, with few side effects (which is at least some
>> peoples' idea of good practice), this won't even save you keystrokes,
>> and it certainly could confuse people.
>> rst
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