[FoRK] Re: Please Help

[Jef Allbright]

On 12/4/07, Lion Kimbro <lionkimbro at gmail.com> wrote:

>   * Am I just bonkers?  (That is:  I thrive on criticism.  BUT, I get
>     to respond to the criticism, too.  Ad hominum can't work.)

Lion, I appreciate and admire your desire to make the world a better
place, but I find it both fascinating and frustrating how you, and the
class of "spiritual" believers of which you appear to be an example,
maintain a death-grip on magical, wishful thinking.

The phenomenal world is just as awesome, wonderful and inspiring --
many of us would argue it is more so -- from a scientific perspective
of open-ended evolutionary development.


    Before I had studied Zen for thirty years, I saw mountains as mountains, and
    waters as waters. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the
    point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are
not waters.
    But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's
just that I see
    mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters.
    - Ch'uan Teng Lu (The Way of Zen, 126)

- Jef