[FoRK] Please Help

[Lion Kimbro]

On Dec 4, 2007 2:15 AM, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:28:12AM -0600, paul wrote:
>
> > I don't think you can meld science and spirituality AND call it
> > "something".  (Ok, pretend and call it whatever it is that Tom Cruise is
> > messing with.)  A scientist /can/ have Spirituality.  So too, can a
> > Catholic Priest have Science.
>
> Yes, that's the core point. Trying to make science spiritual is
> like putting lipstick on a pig. It doesn't make it any more appealing,
> and it certainly annoys the animal.

  Well, Science is Truth.

  That's just basically it.

  That's the beginning, middle, and end of it, to me.

  So if there's anything that we are going to think,
  it just **has** to accept science, whatever science comes up with.


  That said, there's an "interpretative gap."

* -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
What           way over there -->
Science          what we think it "means" -->
Says

  For example, "Science is a pig."
  If that's really what we believe, then the images that come
  to my mind are:

  * evict your mind of "group memes," that are trying to control you,
    for the sake of a group
  * pull in as many selfish memes as possible
  * people should strive to dominate one another
  * we should try to fuck as many women as possible,
    and get them to make as many babies for us as possible
  * we should cheat wherever we can get away with it
  * ... (and so on.)

  Is this what "science says?"

  If not, what *DOES* "science say?"

  And so, I am referring to the "interpretive gap."

  Is Science a Pig?

  Or is it a woman?  And is she more beautiful, in at least
  the eyes of some people, if she wears lipstick?

  Or is science not far enough, that we can tell the difference?

  How does science say to decorate your living room?
  How does science say to decorate your mental living room?


  Myself, I like the cloth of spirituality.

  I like the golden light in the Golden Compass.

  I like holiness, and I like the sacred.

  I like believing that I am part of the Universe,
  and helping it create itself.

  I like the "morality" group-meme, and make a cozy place
  for it in my mental home.  -- just as long as the morality
  group-meme is open to question, and evolves with the
  times, and so on.

  I like decorating the Universe as "sacred,"
  and the source of all life.


  Jeff Bone sees lunacy here.  I think Tom would rather
  that I decorate in... ...I don't know how he'd like me to
  decorate my mind.  "No crutches!", I hear.  Okay, does
  that mean pin-stripe, then?  I don't like pin-stripe;
  I've always loved fairy tale royalty.  I honestly don't know.

  What can I do for Jeff & Tom?  Promise to be a good person?
  I don't know.

  Take care,
    Lion =^_^=