[FoRK] Baseline for calling out the issue

[Jeff Bone]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 11:25 AM, Lion Kimbro wrote:

>   Deify, mystify -->  This is done by every movie that makes a point.

Of course you would think that, because you see mystification  
everywhere.  It's a sort of meta-pathology in whatever this complex  
of yours is...

>   Respect and veneration for nature, environment, and the Earth are
>   genuinely important.  I challenge you to show otherwise.

See, there's a problem;  in addition to demoting objective reality to  
epistemological equivalence with the subjective, you simultaneously  
confuse subjective quality with something objective.  "Genuinely  
important?"  That's a purely subjective thing.  It's not subject to  
proof, demonstration, etc.

>>>
>>>   What crutch are you speaking of?
>>
>> Mysticism.
>
>   What do you mean by "mysticism?"
>
>   When I refer to mysticism, I refer to "seeing with the heart,  
> rather than
>   the eyes."

Fine definition;  and that's the problem.

>   Is this a crutch you want to do away with?

As a means of establishing any sort of consensual understanding of  
the world, absolutely.  Why?  Because it's dangerous.  Because it's  
inherently fraught with misunderstanding, and inherently tends  
towards being subverted by power-seeking individuals, collectives,  
and memetic complexes for their own benefit.

>   Is this the "new boss?"

Indeed.  Same as the old boss.

jb