[FoRK] Poll: I would rather my daughter married a Muslim than
<bill at wstoddard.com> on
Fri Jun 22 20:11:34 PDT 2007
Lion Kimbro wrote:
> On 6/22/07, Eugen Leitl <eugen at leitl.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2007 at 04:41:35PM -0700, Lion Kimbro wrote:
>> > >Hence in practice, rational advocacy is a waste of everybody's time.
>> > I wouldn't go so far;
>> > A lot of times, I've been convinced of something, by an argument
>> I've never seen people lose or gain a religious belief system as the
>> result of a rational argument. Never. It is always as rational as
>> as congenital disease, or catching TB.
> Of course not;
> When people change their mind over something deeply personal,
> it's almost always in the privacy of the bedroom.
> Here's how most of my major life changes have happened:
> * I'm by myself.
> * I'm sitting, and thinking about something important to me.
> * I hear the voices of different arguments I've been in with people,
> in the back of my mind.
> * I replay the different ones, and fit it together.
> * Some things click, some things don't. I see how some things
> undermine still other things.
> * (And so on, and so forth.)
> At some point, something becomes clear, and my mind changes.
> It would never have happened if I hadn't had all those conversations
> with people, and heard their reasons for things.
> Given that most meaningful changes in my own thinking have happened
> in the privacy of my own mind, when I knew that I was not being
> by the "heat of the moment" with others presence,
> Given that I have observed others change, between individual meetings
> with them,
> But Given Also that I have not seen them change, on the spot, in direct
> response to my giving them an argument,
> Given that people have told me, "You know, I was thinking about what
> you said a few days ago, .... It really stuck with me, and, ..."
> ...it seems reasonable to me that people change their minds,
> in response to rational arguments, but that it's something that takes
> time, and processing, and privacy.
Yes, Lion, exactly. That has been my experience and my observation of
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