[FoRK] Re: "Thanks for the Facts. Now Sell Them."
<jbone at place.org> on
Tue Apr 17 09:00:35 PDT 2007
On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Bill Stoddard wrote:
> Jeff Bone wrote:
>> On Apr 15, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Lion Kimbro wrote:
>>> People are *right* to reject a purposeless, hollow, soulless
>>> At any rate, this is my thought. If we are to do more than
>>> "fend off"
>>> religionists, I think we need to dramatically adjust our
>>> about what science is, and what we need as people, and what the
>>> universe is, and what it means.
>> Reality is what it is.
> Yep. And like it or not, Kimbro has a good grasp of it,
Kimbro has a good grasp of the self-help aisle and this weird neo-
post-new-age jingo that's become epidemic these days --- no longer
confined to the nutball fringes.
> although I suspect his quest is futile.
> - Not everyone sees the world the same way
Yeah, it's all seen through varying degrees of delusion.
The scientific method is the ONLY reliable means we have of achieving
a consensus understanding of the reality we all *actually* live in
--- i.e., building an internal model that (a) is as close an
approximation as possible to the way things *actually* are, and ---
purely as a side-effect --- (b) getting some guarantee from the
process that my model's going to be similar to your model. Got a
better way to understand reality? I'm all ears.
> - Past attempts to force people to see the world the same way have
> all gone -very- badly (Mao, Pol Pot, you-know-who)
It's not a matter of "seeing" the world this way or that --- that's
the point. There's an objective reality out there. The name of the
game is to figure out what that is, as much as we're able, with the
greatest possible confidence / reliability in that gained understanding.
I find it both incredibly amusing and incredibly terrifying that all
these religious nutballs, spiritualists, etc. who have so long and
steadfastly insisted on moral absolutes are now adopting increasingly-
staunch solipsistic stances. Populist Republicans --- relativist
"conservatives" --- the co-opting of quantum mechanics by the new
agers, etc. Rejection of "reality-based community."
Age of Unreason.
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