AOL in Negotiations to Acquire Red Hat

Luis Villa louie@ximian.com
21 Jan 2002 14:34:46 -0500


I apologize... I didn't mean to flame quite so badly, or respond so
rapid fire. This one in particular serves me right for mailing the list
at 3am after a long weekend. FWIW, I recommend Evolution as an excellent
threaded mailer ;)
Luis

On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 14:19, Dan Brickley wrote:
> 
> 
> so FoRK is now a pale imitation of Slashdot?
> bummer. must've missed the press release.
> 
> time to go find myself a threaded mailreader... (bye bye Pine, hello... Mutt?)
> 
> danbri
> 
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, CDale wrote:
> 
> > First of all, what crawled up your ass?  Since you wanna be such a prick
> > and read stuff into what I typed, I guess I'll have to take time out of my
> > busy career to set you straight.  -snicker-
> >
> >
> >  On 20 Jan 2002, Luis Villa wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 05:46, CDale wrote:
> > > >
> > > > How did I miss the beginning of this thread?  Forever, Red Hat has been
> > > > called the AOL of Linux.
> > >
> > > No offense, but the people who call RH the AOL or MS of Linux are
> > > uninformed, immature, or both. Period. There is/was no way to call it
> > > that otherwise.
> >
> > I always hate it when people say "No offense, but..." and then attempt to
> > offend me.  Actually, I don't really hate it as much as I find it to be a
> > silly attempt to use extra words that add seeming content to what usually
> > ends up being content-less anyhow.  Anyhow, there are lots of "ways" to
> > call it that.  It was called that, and it stuck, so obviously some people
> > agreed that it was/is a good analogy.  As immature and uninformed as you
> > may think it is, RH has worked hard to make Linux user friendly, and if I
> > can site the #1 answer to my question to all the folks I've encountered
> > who use AOL, which is, "Why do you use it?" it is "Because it's easy to
> > use."  I would say that most folks who use MS feel the same.  So the
> > comparison isn't that far off base, no matter how it may bother you.
> >
> > >
> > > > I called it that when I was a Slacker, and had
> > > > it slung at me while wearing that Red Hat.
> > >
> > > See the above: if you had it slung at you, and cared, then you're
> > > clearly missing a big part of the picture.
> > >
> >
> > "Cared" is a big word.  What I care about is the operating system itself,
> > not about how it's rolled or distributed.  Therefore, I don't CARE what
> > anyone does with or calls any of the distributions.  I only care that I
> > have choices, and that, bottom line, if I don't like any of them, FINE,
> > I'll roll my own.  (:
> >
> > > > It's a sad, sad thing, but
> > > > living at that place (remember when working at a startup meant living
> > > > there?) and watching the suits and suit sluts come in and do the
> > > > corporation of the thing was an ugly affair.  If anyone enjoyed it, it was
> > > > Mark, who walked out, stiff and tense in his expensive suit, the one he
> > > > wore with a stiff back and a frown, and he didn't enjoy it till way after
> > > > that, I'm sure.  But of course there was Bob there, on the board, to make
> > > > sure that things would be OK.
> > >
> > > Having spoken very briefly with Mark not to long ago, he doesn't really
> > > seem to enjoy it even now. Bob seems to have actually transitioned more
> > > easily into the role of corporate tycoon, though he does a lot of really
> > > great stuff with his money. [see
> > > http://www.centerforthepublicdomain.org/ ]
> > >
> >
> > Sorry to hear that about Mark. and Bob.  Last I heard Mark was a happy
> > father who'd shed those suits that he never quite looked right in.  But this is all
> > gossip anyhow.  (:  I guess what I was trying to say is that RH, the way
> > it's run now, certainly isn't in any way less "evil" than AOL is.  I do
> > feel sorry for the folks who have to train a whole bunch of new people
> > about what Linux is and isn't, after having done this with a whole crew of
> > overpaid idiots during/after the IPO.
> >
> > > As for the rest of these accusations, I still know personally (and work
> > > with, through GNOME) a lot of RH guys who are awfully non-corporate and
> > > care a huge amount about Free Software and the GPL. Yeah, they've got
> > > management whose priorities are a little wacky, but they generally feel
> > > like they're pretty well treated and they cite fairly minimal reasons
> > > for grumbling. And most of them still pretty much live at RH, if that
> > > really means all that much to you.
> > >
> >
> > Sure, I know those guys too, and still talk to them quite a bit, and,
> > having the kind of background I have with them, I hear a lot more of the
> > griping than you ever would.  And yep, I know they still pretty much live
> > there, and that that devotion is still unrecognized.  The only reason this
> > means -anything- to me is because some of these people are very close
> > friends, and one thing I did hope when I left RH was that things would get
> > better for them in the long run.  Oh well.  It's their choice to stay
> > there, and if that works for them, that's their business.  As far as this
> > being an "accusation," you seem to be a bit defensive there, pal.  (:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > We Slackers, years ago, thought that RH would sink itself with all
> > > > it's readiness to make things proprietary,and, in a way it has,
> > >
> > > ? Exactly /what/ proprietary stuff are you talking about? Last I
> > > checked, there is exactly /one/ piece of RH software that's proprietary,
> > > and that's the RHN /server/, and there are at least two GPL projects to
> > > replace that that I'm aware of.
> >
> > One?  LOL  I supported the SWS for over a year.  Let's see, sure wish I
> > could get the code for that u2d server.  (:  And, before you get your
> > panties in a wad for onlygodknowswhatreason, please read what I say
> > before you respond vapidly to it.  "it's readiness to make things
> > proprietary" is what I said, and the only thing that's wrong with that is
> > that apostrophe that isn't supposed to be there.  If you don't believe
> > me, ask one of your RH buddies about explaining to Billy Marshall "No, we
> > can't sell that, no we can't charge for that, no, that is GPL'd, nonoNO
> > Billy, this is LINUX GODDAMMIT."  (:
> >
> > >
> > > I'm honestly surprised that someone who claims to have worked at RH
> > > would have bought all the 1337 hax0r propaganda crap about RH as the
> > > _____ of Linux.
> > >
> >
> > Buying into what?  When did I say anything about hacking or 31337ness?
> > Spelling things with numbers has nothing to do with analogies in this
> > particular situation.  Anyhow, my whole point was: "So what?"  AOL
> > will either totally fuck it up, at which point many RH users will switch,
> > or they won't, at which point noone will give a damn who owns RHI.  That's
> > all I really wanted to say, so if you wanna argue that, go for it.  I'll
> > be over here in my Crown Vic racing spunky little military guys down Hwy
> > 90.  (:  (Geege, does 8 cylinders make you as hot as it makes me?  LOL)
> > Cindy
> >
> > > Luis
> > >
> > >
> > > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork
> > >
> >
> >
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