AOL in Negotiations to Acquire Red Hat

Dan Brickley
Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:19:32 -0500 (EST)

so FoRK is now a pale imitation of Slashdot?
bummer. must've missed the press release.

time to go find myself a threaded mailreader... (bye bye Pine, hello... Mutt?)


On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, CDale wrote:

> First of all, what crawled up your ass?  Since you wanna be such a prick
> and read stuff into what I typed, I guess I'll have to take time out of my
> busy career to set you straight.  -snicker-
>  On 20 Jan 2002, Luis Villa wrote:
> > On Sun, 2002-01-20 at 05:46, CDale wrote:
> > >
> > > How did I miss the beginning of this thread?  Forever, Red Hat has been
> > > called the AOL of Linux.
> >
> > No offense, but the people who call RH the AOL or MS of Linux are
> > uninformed, immature, or both. Period. There is/was no way to call it
> > that otherwise.
> I always hate it when people say "No offense, but..." and then attempt to
> offend me.  Actually, I don't really hate it as much as I find it to be a
> silly attempt to use extra words that add seeming content to what usually
> ends up being content-less anyhow.  Anyhow, there are lots of "ways" to
> call it that.  It was called that, and it stuck, so obviously some people
> agreed that it was/is a good analogy.  As immature and uninformed as you
> may think it is, RH has worked hard to make Linux user friendly, and if I
> can site the #1 answer to my question to all the folks I've encountered
> who use AOL, which is, "Why do you use it?" it is "Because it's easy to
> use."  I would say that most folks who use MS feel the same.  So the
> comparison isn't that far off base, no matter how it may bother you.
> >
> > > I called it that when I was a Slacker, and had
> > > it slung at me while wearing that Red Hat.
> >
> > See the above: if you had it slung at you, and cared, then you're
> > clearly missing a big part of the picture.
> >
> "Cared" is a big word.  What I care about is the operating system itself,
> not about how it's rolled or distributed.  Therefore, I don't CARE what
> anyone does with or calls any of the distributions.  I only care that I
> have choices, and that, bottom line, if I don't like any of them, FINE,
> I'll roll my own.  (:
> > > It's a sad, sad thing, but
> > > living at that place (remember when working at a startup meant living
> > > there?) and watching the suits and suit sluts come in and do the
> > > corporation of the thing was an ugly affair.  If anyone enjoyed it, it was
> > > Mark, who walked out, stiff and tense in his expensive suit, the one he
> > > wore with a stiff back and a frown, and he didn't enjoy it till way after
> > > that, I'm sure.  But of course there was Bob there, on the board, to make
> > > sure that things would be OK.
> >
> > Having spoken very briefly with Mark not to long ago, he doesn't really
> > seem to enjoy it even now. Bob seems to have actually transitioned more
> > easily into the role of corporate tycoon, though he does a lot of really
> > great stuff with his money. [see
> > ]
> >
> Sorry to hear that about Mark. and Bob.  Last I heard Mark was a happy
> father who'd shed those suits that he never quite looked right in.  But this is all
> gossip anyhow.  (:  I guess what I was trying to say is that RH, the way
> it's run now, certainly isn't in any way less "evil" than AOL is.  I do
> feel sorry for the folks who have to train a whole bunch of new people
> about what Linux is and isn't, after having done this with a whole crew of
> overpaid idiots during/after the IPO.
> > As for the rest of these accusations, I still know personally (and work
> > with, through GNOME) a lot of RH guys who are awfully non-corporate and
> > care a huge amount about Free Software and the GPL. Yeah, they've got
> > management whose priorities are a little wacky, but they generally feel
> > like they're pretty well treated and they cite fairly minimal reasons
> > for grumbling. And most of them still pretty much live at RH, if that
> > really means all that much to you.
> >
> Sure, I know those guys too, and still talk to them quite a bit, and,
> having the kind of background I have with them, I hear a lot more of the
> griping than you ever would.  And yep, I know they still pretty much live
> there, and that that devotion is still unrecognized.  The only reason this
> means -anything- to me is because some of these people are very close
> friends, and one thing I did hope when I left RH was that things would get
> better for them in the long run.  Oh well.  It's their choice to stay
> there, and if that works for them, that's their business.  As far as this
> being an "accusation," you seem to be a bit defensive there, pal.  (:
> > > We Slackers, years ago, thought that RH would sink itself with all
> > > it's readiness to make things proprietary,and, in a way it has,
> >
> > ? Exactly /what/ proprietary stuff are you talking about? Last I
> > checked, there is exactly /one/ piece of RH software that's proprietary,
> > and that's the RHN /server/, and there are at least two GPL projects to
> > replace that that I'm aware of.
> One?  LOL  I supported the SWS for over a year.  Let's see, sure wish I
> could get the code for that u2d server.  (:  And, before you get your
> panties in a wad for onlygodknowswhatreason, please read what I say
> before you respond vapidly to it.  "it's readiness to make things
> proprietary" is what I said, and the only thing that's wrong with that is
> that apostrophe that isn't supposed to be there.  If you don't believe
> me, ask one of your RH buddies about explaining to Billy Marshall "No, we
> can't sell that, no we can't charge for that, no, that is GPL'd, nonoNO
> Billy, this is LINUX GODDAMMIT."  (:
> >
> > I'm honestly surprised that someone who claims to have worked at RH
> > would have bought all the 1337 hax0r propaganda crap about RH as the
> > _____ of Linux.
> >
> Buying into what?  When did I say anything about hacking or 31337ness?
> Spelling things with numbers has nothing to do with analogies in this
> particular situation.  Anyhow, my whole point was: "So what?"  AOL
> will either totally fuck it up, at which point many RH users will switch,
> or they won't, at which point noone will give a damn who owns RHI.  That's
> all I really wanted to say, so if you wanna argue that, go for it.  I'll
> be over here in my Crown Vic racing spunky little military guys down Hwy
> 90.  (:  (Geege, does 8 cylinders make you as hot as it makes me?  LOL)
> Cindy
> > Luis
> >
> >
> >
> >