Terrorism Re: Corporate transparency
Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:03:04 -0400
On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:09:20PM -0500, S. Alexander Jacobson wrote:
> You are abandoning the rhetoric of ramming through
> a conservative agenda to talk about judgments by
> politicians about the electorate's tolerance for
> military casualties. These are very different
> topics and, I am not at all clear about why this
> concern is a bad thing nor how you think more talk
> from Bill Maher would have increased this
> tolerance (since that is what you appear to want).
I didn't abandon anything - you asked for specifics about
an article that talked about how avoidance of American casualties
is dictating war strategy.
> And I am asking: who got smacked down and what
> should have been stopped? Your NCAC link includes
> stuff like this:
> which appears to be about Berkeley firefighters
> not being allowed to fly American Flags from
> their trucks out of fear that they would then be
> vandalized by the large number antiwar protesters
> in the city.
That was the 17th link on the page - Below "The New McCarthyism", "Florida
Professor Placed on Leave After Fox News Appearance.", etc.
And if you go a little further down to the section "News and Commentary" you'll
see several reporters/editors/etc that were fired after September 11. Of course
there was a conservative commentator who recommending "invading countries, killing
their leaders and converting them to Christianity" in the list too.
Talk about selective vision.
Try this - search the page for "Gutting", "Guthrie", "Werbe", "Hypervine" and "Campbell Brown"
I especially like (in the miscellaneous section) the story of the 22 year old
not allowed to board a plane because of the novel he was reading.
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> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Owen Byrne wrote:
> > > It sounds much more like your "lot of people" are
> > > unhappy with Bush's new found popularity. For
> > > example, Bush's recent "over my dead body" quote
> > > was about taxes not terrorism.
> > >
> > > > Even the military is saying the same thing now - there was an article
> > > > recently in the NYT about how fear of American casualties was
> > > > dictating strategy in the "war on terrorism."
> > >
> > > Do you have a pointer? Perhaps you are talking
> > > about Clinton's triple failure to act against Bin
> > > Laden or about Clinton's decision not to send
> > > ground troops into the Balkans.
> > >
> > It was in the NYT this week - basically it quoted some military
> > officials talking about how the primary reason for using
> > the Northern Alliance as a proxy was because of the need to minimize
> > US casualties, but that it significantly curtailed the options
> > of the military command (in particular they blamed the inability to
> > capture top Taliban leaders on this).
> > > > The people who were saying that while it was happening -
> > > > when there was potential to stop it - got smacked down.
> > >
> > > Examples? Specifics?
> > >
> > Do I really need to list the journalists that were fired for criticizing
> > GB II after Sept. 11?
> > Actually there's a site to do it for me:
> > http://www.ncac.org/issues/freeex911.html
> > And a google search for "fired reports september 11" turns up a few more.
> > Owen