From: Dave Winer (email@example.com)
Date: Wed Sep 13 2000 - 09:09:15 PDT
Sorry, I missed the context of your original post re CDF. I don't know the
answer, but no one raised the question when RSS 0.91 came out, as far as I
know. It seems that was the point in time to do it.
Now here's my memory of CDF. It was a static site description format,
proposed by Microsoft in response to work Netscape was doing with Marimba.
I was at the press conf in 1997 where they rolled it out, and since Kim
Polese was a friend of mine, I felt bad that she wasn't on stage with all
her competitors. It made me feel pretty sick.
A similar thing is going on here, of course. ;->
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Brickley" <Daniel.Brickley@bristol.ac.uk>
To: "Dave Winer" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: "FoRK" <FoRK@xent.com>; "Tim O'Reilly" <email@example.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: http://www.egroups.com/message/decentralization/326
> In http://www.egroups.com/message/decentralization/326
> you say:
> Recently I have had a standard that I co-authored stolen by a big name,
> totally brazen, and I've said Fuck This many times in the
> last few weeks, and it hasn't done any good.
> To be clear, are you claiming that OReilly (plus various of their naive
> pawns such as myself) have stolen RSS, and that you're a co-author of the
> intellectual work that was stolen?
> If that's the case, please circulate to FoRK a list of technical
> innovations in "your" RSS v0.91 that are anything more than trivial
> elaborations on the 9th March 1997 Channel Definition Format
> (CDF) specification, as submitted by Microsoft to the W3C,
> Accusations of theft are a big deal. We should help you get to the
> bottom of this...
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Dave Winer wrote:
> > This is the kind of threatening email I get from Tim O'Reilly. One of
> > I've received over the years. I've warned Tim over and over, that if he
> > wants to make threats, make them in public for all to see.
> > They are serious integrity issues at O'Reilly. I've been emailing
> > with Dave Sims and Andy Oram at O'Reilly about them. They are involved
> > corporate way on RSS. They've run ads, had corporate officers doing
> > "journalism" where only their side was presented. They worked in private
> > a public spec, and then presented it as a fait accompli, on their
> > website. The line betw journalism and corporate affairs at O'Reilly is
> > pretty murky. That Tim claims that O'Reilly is not involved in RSS at a
> > corporate level is a ludicrous thing.
> > I have no idea what's going on over there, but Tim is one of the most
> > personally offensive people I've ever met in the software industry, in
> > 25 years. I'm tired of receiving these private threats. Tim, the ball's
> > your court, do your best to smear me. And at the same time let's take a
> > hard look at exactly what O'Reilly is versus what you say it is.
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim O'Reilly" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > To: <email@example.com>
> > Cc: "tim" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:43 AM
> > Subject: http://www.egroups.com/message/decentralization/326
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > I've told you again and again that your conflict over RSS is not an
> > > O'Reilly thing, as have the participants, yet you keep making the
> > > accusation. When we exclude you from things in future, just make a
> > > of this as the reason why. And be sure that I will do the same. I'm
> > > assembling a list of all the false claims you've made against us, and
> > > some point, if you keep this up, it will be published as an expose.
> > >
> > > When people see both sides, you will lose even more credibility than
> > > have already. You're lucky that I haven't been waging the kind of PR
> > > campaign against you that you've been waging against us.
> > >
> > > Now, you might say that O'Reilly wasn't mentioned by name here. But
> > > it's clear enough who you mean, and as a result, someone outside the
> > > conflict forwarded the message to me.
> > >
> > > Please stop. Or I'll go public on what you're doing.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tim O'Reilly @ O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
> > > 101 Morris Street, Sebastopol, CA 95472
> > > +1 707-829-0515, FAX +1 707-829-0104
> > > email@example.com, http://www.oreilly.com
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