From: Rob Sanz (robsanz@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Thu Jun 08 2000 - 15:57:27 PDT
Joachim,
You think Matloff's paper is a fallacy. You had better hope so. You better
hope that Matloff was way off on this one. I noted two parts of Matloff's
paper that was totally correct in my case. Perhaps you will luck out and he
will be totally wrong in your case.
Rob Sanchez
9.2.7 Views of Other Immigrant Communities
Immigrant computer programmers encounter the same age discrimination when
they reach age 35 or 40 that natives do. As pointed out by Shankar
Lakhavani, chairman of the workforce committee for the the Institute of
Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE) and a Pakistani immigrant,
``There are many immigrants like me who are American citizens, and they
would like a crack at these jobs [which are going to H-1Bs].''
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene A. Nelson [mailto:c0030180@airmail.net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 3:23 PM
> To: jfeise@ics.uci.edu; Mark Mendlovitz; 'Norm Matloff'
> Cc: EricSherman@alum.mit.edu; jdensler@ziplink.net;
> c0030180@airmail.net; rogermadden@cs.com; miano@colosseumbuilders.com;
> netmouser@earthlink.net; 110077.3677@compuserve.com; terryo@flash.net;
> robertsb@mindspring.com; infosurf@cybernex.net; KFran95011@aol.com;
> RobSanz@worldnet.att.net; rtax@bellatlantic.net;
> DamonScott@cs.ucdavis.edu; Adam L. Beberg; FoRK; sramjee@hss.hns.com;
> RRivers297@aol.com; billreed@ticnet.com
> Subject: Joachim Feise
>
>
> Dear CC: list
>
> Since Joachim has such strong feelings about this, I performed a bit of
> research on the web. Here is what I learned:
>
> Feise.txt from this url.
>
> http://pv314.pv.reshsg.uci.edu/~jfeise/index.html
>
> Who I am and what I do:
>
> Occupation: Software Engineer at Eagle Creek Systems,
> Inc., Fallbrook, CA, a Microsoft Solution Provider
>
> Certifications: Microsoft Certified Solution Developer, 1997
>
> Education: Diplom-Informatik Degree, TU Berlin, Germany, 1993
> (equivalent to Master's Degree in Computer Science)
>
> Master's Degree in Information and Computer Science, University
> of California, Irvine, 1998
>
> Graduate Student in Computer Science at the University of
> California, Irvine (seeking a Ph.D.)
>
> Also a private aircraft pilot.
>
> I will leave it to those reading this message to draw inferences
> regarding the likely
> immigration status of Joachim. Such inferences could help to
> explain his perspective.
> The final note suggests something regarding Joachim's economic class. When
> my wife checked into becoming a private pilot, she found it to be
> very expensive.
>
> Gene A. Nelson, Ph.D. A BrainSaver in Dallas, Texas
>
> ----------
> From: Norm Matloff[SMTP:matloff@cs.ucdavis.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:43 PM
> To: jfeise@ics.uci.edu; Mark Mendlovitz
> Cc: EricSherman@alum.mit.edu; Norm Matloff;
> jdensler@ziplink.net; c0030180@airmail.net; rogermadden@cs.com;
> miano@colosseumbuilders.com; netmouser@earthlink.net;
> 110077.3677@compuserve.com; terryo@flash.net;
> robertsb@mindspring.com; infosurf@cybernex.net;
> KFran95011@aol.com; RobSanz@worldnet.att.net;
> rtax@bellatlantic.net; DamonScott@cs.ucdavis.edu; Adam L. Beberg;
> FoRK; sramjee@hss.hns.com; RRivers297@aol.com; billreed@ticnet.com
> Subject: Re: National Sign-On Letter to House on H-1Bs, U.S.
> Immigration
>
>
> Joe wrote to someone (I don't recall who)
>
> I don't consider anybody resorting to personal attacks worthy of my
> attention.
>
> He now says:
>
> > Of course, Mr. Matloff Cc'ed his original answer to everyone on his
> > list of anti-immigration advocates.
>
> That sounds pretty _ad hominem_ to me, Joe, attacking both me and the
> people I cc-ed.
>
> Joe, let's keep in mind that the only reason I am part of this e-mail
> exchange is that you cc-ed *me*. Prior to your cc-ing me, I was not
> a participant in the exchange.
>
> I do maintain an e-mail list on the age discrimination/H-1B topic. It's
> a lot larger than the few you see here, by the way, and it includes a
> a lot of immigrants who have experienced the problems I have been
> talking about.
>
> > Just a consideration: maybe recruiting at UCD is down because the people
> > already have jobs.
>
> No. According to our Internship and Career Center, fewer have job
> offers now than at the same time last year.
>
> > It is known that all US universities have problems getting
> graduate students
> > because of the worker shortage.
>
> This was true in the early 1990s, when there was no alleged worker
> shortage.
>
> People don't go to grad school because there is no incentive for them
> to do so. They are making very rational decisions.
>
> > And why is the fact that a CEO said that they screen people something
> > newsworthy? This happens all the time, in all industries.
> People apply for
> > jobs they don't have the qualifications for, and they are screened out
> > during the process.
>
> If an employer were desperate to hire programmers (which is what they
> claim), they would not reject experienced programmers without even an
> interview.
>
> Norm
>
>
>
>
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